tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post3451766172394699686..comments2023-09-13T09:46:28.606+01:00Comments on Cosmic Navel Lint: Scenes from the US healthcare debateCosmic Navel Linthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07301190881761763414noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-75716298255617904242009-11-21T17:22:02.000+00:002009-11-21T17:22:02.000+00:00Is there actually a point in there, Ted, or do you...Is there actually a point in there, Ted, or do you just wander the Web talking to yourself?Cosmic Navel Lintnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-88257195907594063042009-11-21T16:55:54.000+00:002009-11-21T16:55:54.000+00:00Are you a man or a woman, or do you fall into the ...Are you a man or a woman, or do you fall into the "don't know" gap?<br />Most the latter stringently advocate "free" health care so someone else picks up the tab for the *ahem* "fruits" of their perversion. I see you agree with Bush and Obama that the Constitution is obsolete because it was written by a bunch of dead white slave-owners (am I mimicking your alleged "educators" enough?), but the fact remains it set U.S. apart for 175 years, till we succumbed to the dissembling of liars like Keynes. When you grow up, get a real job and realize living off others thoughtlessly via the government is as immoral as highway robbery, we'll chat again.<br />TTFN!Ted Amadeusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-38725980370725188772009-11-18T20:11:19.000+00:002009-11-18T20:11:19.000+00:00Hey Jennifer - I can promise you I never shoot any...Hey Jennifer - I can promise you I never shoot anyone on sight: I always provide them with a running start... ;)Cosmic Navel Lintnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-39119450558195604312009-11-18T20:04:17.000+00:002009-11-18T20:04:17.000+00:00Being of Welsh descendency, I thank you for resist...Being of Welsh descendency, I thank you for resisting the urge to shoot us on sight. How modern of you! And, being American, I appreciate your thoughtful and well-researched responses. Unfortunately, inciting rhetoric drowns out all reason on this side. Thinking of becoming an expatriat. Jennifernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-25693712823579455492009-11-18T16:35:42.000+00:002009-11-18T16:35:42.000+00:00Actually, for accuracy, Hoose's reply can be f...Actually, for accuracy, Hoose's reply can be found at <a href="http://hoosierboy.blogspot.com/2009/11/healthcare-debate-goes-on.html" rel="nofollow">THIS LINK</a> - this will always take you to the post as Hoose's post only takes you to his blog site - and as he adds to his blogs, the post in question will get bumped down the stack.Cosmic Navel Lintnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-13832896099449572612009-11-18T15:48:42.000+00:002009-11-18T15:48:42.000+00:00Thanks Hoose,
appreciate your time in making a fu...Thanks Hoose,<br /><br />appreciate your time in making a fuller reply - allow me to read it and then asnwer the points where we've areas of contention - as we're not in disagreement in every area.Cosmic Navel Lintnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-85316063936526356302009-11-18T15:21:33.000+00:002009-11-18T15:21:33.000+00:00No I do not own a business, I am just a working st...No I do not own a business, I am just a working stif trying to get by, like most of you. I am struggling to pay my bills put my kids through college and yes, I think the cost of my current health insurance is ridiculous. I do believe we can have a reasonable debate about the future of society. I do not assume if we disagree you are stupid, uneducated or a fool. Reasonable people have disagreed about the size and form of Government since man first walked upright.<br /><br />My counter rebuttal is finished. It is very lengthy. Too long for a comment. I have published it at my site <a href="http://www.hoosierboy.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">www.hoosierboy.blogspot.com</a>.<br />Bren, if you know of a way to get it here, please let me knw. I thought this way was better than filling two or three comment boxes. Sorry for the inconvenience to your readers, assuming any of them care what I think (a highly unlikely proposition).hoosierboynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-49946056480889828952009-11-18T14:12:09.000+00:002009-11-18T14:12:09.000+00:00Hey Hoose,
Of course mate, no problem, happy to d...Hey Hoose,<br /><br />Of course mate, no problem, happy to disucss when you're ready - there's more than enough honest opinion here to work with, so go for it! Look forward to your replies.Cosmic Navel Lintnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-14084005430414217802009-11-18T13:47:08.000+00:002009-11-18T13:47:08.000+00:00Wow, swine, way to demonstrate the very close-mind...Wow, swine, way to demonstrate the very close-minded stance you accuse me of taking.<br /><br />Lint, if you still are interested in a reasonable discussion, I will respond as soon as I get time.hoosierboynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-47760642989238781292009-11-17T21:10:08.000+00:002009-11-17T21:10:08.000+00:00Another very fair point - any small-to-medium busi...Another very fair point - any small-to-medium businessman who's faced with the option of the government offering a reasonalby priced alternative health insurance deal shouldn't look a gift-horse int he mouth.Cosmic Navel Lintnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-35642062114006104482009-11-17T20:56:58.000+00:002009-11-17T20:56:58.000+00:00I wonder if hoosier owns a business. Small-busines...I wonder if hoosier owns a business. Small-business owners are sometimes more <em>vocally </em>conservative than CEOs of big corporations. If he does own a business, does he supply his employees with insurance? If not, he shouldn't begrudge the government doing so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-37764435878525799552009-11-17T19:13:29.000+00:002009-11-17T19:13:29.000+00:00Is there a point in that wee rantette Ted? ;)Is there a point in that wee rantette Ted? ;)Cosmic Navel Lintnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-47699613444052419752009-11-17T19:12:22.000+00:002009-11-17T19:12:22.000+00:00<span>Hey (S)wine, thanks for commenting.
...<span>Hey (S)wine, thanks for commenting. <br /> <br />And thanks for you kind appraisal - alas, mine are merely the thoughts of a Brit on a system of healthcare delivery which is, by common consent, broken and needs fixing - I doubt I'm in a position to effect law or policy other than by hopefully persuading others of that point. As the cartoon in the piece conveys, healthcare reform was first mooted under Truman, via Clinton, and finally Obama's got round to do it. By contrast, we bit the bullet in 1948 and delivered a national health service (NHS).</span>Cosmic Navel Lintnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-56937224878802632872009-11-17T19:11:47.000+00:002009-11-17T19:11:47.000+00:00<span>And I bet you paint a picture which is...<span>And I bet you paint a picture which is common throughout the US Brook. <br /></span>Cosmic Navel Lintnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-56208468233249974782009-11-17T19:11:03.000+00:002009-11-17T19:11:03.000+00:00<span>It's like a scene from a Dickens n...<span>It's like a scene from a Dickens novel. Just tragic Erin. </span> :'(Cosmic Navel Lintnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-10543370654056379272009-11-17T19:10:10.000+00:002009-11-17T19:10:10.000+00:00<span>Nay sweat Hoose, when you're ready...<span>Nay sweat Hoose, when you're ready mate </span> :)Cosmic Navel Lintnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-30890809503241240982009-11-17T18:54:47.000+00:002009-11-17T18:54:47.000+00:00There's no rest for the wicked, either.
Just ...There's no rest for the wicked, either.<br /><br />Just seen this <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/15/AR2009111503159_pf.html" rel="nofollow">Washington Pos</a><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/15/AR2009111503159_pf.html" rel="nofollow">t</a> article which describes how certain bodies are now trying to fund a "study" into getting Obama's healthcare reforms branded as "job-killers". *sigh*<br /><br />You know all the sceince has failed when you hear the banging of the hammers...Cosmic Navel Lintnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-52129693410528513492009-11-17T18:21:49.000+00:002009-11-17T18:21:49.000+00:00Hey (S)wine, thanks for commenting.
And thanks ...Hey (S)wine, thanks for commenting. <br /> <br />And thanks for you kind appraisal - alas, mine are merely the thoughts of a Brit on a system of healthcare delivery which is, by common consent, broken and needs fixing - I doubt I'm in a position to effect law or policy other than by hopefully persuading others of that point. As the cartoon in the piece conveys, healthcare reform was first mooted under Truman, via Clinton, and finally Obama's got round to do it. By contrast, we bit the bullet in 1948 and delivered a national health service (NHS).Cosmic Navel Lintnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-38357202081386691042009-11-17T16:12:54.000+00:002009-11-17T16:12:54.000+00:00Just FYI Guys, I've added this new comment fea...Just FYI Guys, I've added this new comment feature - a bit more snazzy that the bog-standard Blogger offering.<br /><br />As you can now see, it's now a piece of cake to <b>embolden</b> words, put them in <i>itallics</i>, and <span style="text-decoration: underline;">underline</span> anything within your post! And insert <a href="http://cosmicnavellint.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow"><b>web-links and URL</b></a>s!<br /><br />Whilst its imported all your existing comments, you amy need to edit your profiles to include your name (whatever you want to be called here), your avatars and other aspects to personalise yourself.<br /><br />You can also add your Twitter, Facebook and any other social networking site your use to your profile here!<br /><br />You can also now add pictures and videos to your responses, and there's a neat 'Follow' option too!<br /><br />Hope ya like it!<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Bren.Cosmic Navel Lintnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-74918253441487342172009-11-17T14:18:38.820+00:002009-11-17T14:18:38.820+00:00For completeness, and no doubt whilst waiting for ...For completeness, and no doubt whilst waiting for me to reply with my post above (we did start the exchange on 03rd Nov), Hoose went ahead and wrote <a href="http://hoosierboy.blogspot.com/2009/11/get-over-it.html#links" rel="nofollow">"Fat in Indiana: Get over it"</a>: which just seems to be a series of deflections about the US Constitution, and not really an attempt to address the key philosophical arguments about why, in keeping with other US bodies with a national remit and responsibility, such as National Security (NSA), Defence (DoD), The FDA, The FAA et al, the US can't take a holistic approach in providing a common healthcare approach to all its citizen?Cosmic Navel Linthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07301190881761763414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-77365185398857269772009-11-17T14:10:06.426+00:002009-11-17T14:10:06.426+00:00Travelling, will read and respond as soon as I ca...Travelling, will read and respond as soon as I can<br /><br />HoosierboyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-59456448568306154502009-11-17T13:53:25.413+00:002009-11-17T13:53:25.413+00:00As a member of the I can't afford health insur...As a member of the I can't afford health insurance and also being of the demographic that makes too much money to qualify for Medicaid(even for our children)I can only say hear hear. Thankfully we are a pretty healthy lot and can afford the occasional trips made to the doctor or urgent care. We do however forgo dental check-ups, yearly check-ups, and in my case "elective" physical therapy for compressed discs in my lower back. Starting to cry. Will stop. Let's just say it sucks and I hope that my one tiny voice and my one tiny vote will one day count.Brookhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12280379332301301014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-68835274151743088612009-11-17T13:19:38.362+00:002009-11-17T13:19:38.362+00:00A very concise, cerebral rebuttal. I was talking ...A very concise, cerebral rebuttal. I was talking to Erin up above via Twitter and mentioned that I alway cringe at the energy, time, and brainpower spent to answer the likes of Hoosierboy--a man who will never budge from his antiquated beliefs (I am well-acquainted with a carload of his ideas from reading Erin's blog); a man who probably thinks the world is flat. I wish and hope you turn your talents and energy toward actually effecting policy and law, rather than spend time ping-pong-ing with immovable, irrationally-thinking objects. Cheers.(S)winehttp://swine.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-91489070351433296742009-11-17T13:08:14.756+00:002009-11-17T13:08:14.756+00:00I once saw a person being denied health care.
I w...I once saw a person being denied health care.<br /><br />I was sitting in the waiting room and this woman came in with her kid. She said she was in terrible pain and could the doctor see her? She said she had no insurance. She was sort of hunched over and could barely talk. Her kid didn't say a word.<br /><br />The woman at the desk was clearly uncomfortable, but firm. She said sorry, she couldn't help. She directed her to an area hospital and advised her to try the ER.<br /><br />The woman asked if there was a bus route to the hospital. More uncomfortable conversation ensued. <br /><br />"Come on, sweetie," she said to her kid, and then she stumbled out of the office. <br /><br />I'll never forget that.<br /><br />If anyone thinks those without coverage are treated nearly as well as those with, they are deluded. Also note how those who flippantly refer to this "no denial of care" mandate are terrified whenever the threat of losing coverage looms, just like the next guy.<br /><br />Very nice post, Cos. Thanks.Erin O'Brienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09089592061725346901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317861830841029909.post-17756697706831118752009-11-17T12:18:19.700+00:002009-11-17T12:18:19.700+00:00Don't worry...As soon as the Kakostocracy can ...Don't worry...As soon as the Kakostocracy can find a way to disguise the current mess as "universal health care' and the same empty three-piece-suits behind oak desks still get paid while doctors don't, you will have it...<br />More like YOU will have to pay for it.<br />Nothing makes me feel better than having to give a bunch of Khazakh bankers who never worked a day in their lives more of my hard-earned jack at government gunpoint (just like auto insurance).<br />Just gives me a warm freaking fuzzy!TheWayfarerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15074292938877766871noreply@blogger.com